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 Dec 16 2005, 09:11 AM
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Does anyone believe the guy on sportsnet, forget his name, that blames it all on Mario?
Says, Mario got Ed the job... Mario took Syd into his home (causing hypothetical locker room problems)... all the FA's are Mario's friends (probably the only way to get anyone to sign in Pittsburgh?). Anyways, it is ridiculous to blame Mario, and I am trying to be objective, but I do love the guy... so please tell me if you think he is to blame. I don't think Ed is the best coach for this team anymore, but he was until this season when the team changed dramatically. Syd a locker room problem? Did he just make this up? Is it because of the one comment where he said "Well, we aren't winning, so yeah, I guess it might have been time for a change"... I thought it sounded bad too... but it seemed to me like he regreted saying it the second he said it, and that he must have been pressured into making a comment. Anyways, it is a completely obvious statement that anyone might say in that situation, granted, you should keep your mouth shut as a rookie. But he is getting all the attention, so he is going to eventually say something.
Anyways, Therrien has been doing an excellent job coaching. I think he is going to be a MUCH better coach for this club. Not just as an overall coach, but as a better style for this team. Based on what I know of him.
I think it is actually possible to turn this team around, they are a playoff contender... or capable of being one. One major whole is a solid defensive dman... or two... or three... how do you fix those holes? Gonchar plays better... he can be an avg defensive dman. And make a trade?
61 games left for pittsburgh. If they need about 92 pts to make playoffs... they need to win over half of those games. They currently have 22pts in 31games.
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Dec 16 2005, 09:23 AM
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From all accounts Ed Olczyk was a terrible coach, so yes the Penguins should be a better team once they have some structure and someone who knows what they're doing behind the bench.
He should have never been hired in the first place, but that's what happens when you have such an incompetent GM and a "hands on" owner in the fold.
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Dec 16 2005, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE(Klatt @ Dec 16 2005, 10:11 AM) 61 games left for pittsburgh. If they need about 92 pts to make playoffs... they need to win over half of those games. They currently have 22pts in 31games. [snapback]25876[/snapback] Hey remedial math Klit I'd have to say that the Penguins have an excelleent chance of turning their season around when they play 92 games. Who are the additional ones against or will the preseason games front load their season?
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Dec 16 2005, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE(Ktulu @ Dec 16 2005, 09:23 AM) From all accounts Ed Olczyk was a terrible coach, so yes the Penguins should be a better team once they have some structure and someone who knows what they're doing behind the bench. He should have never been hired in the first place, but that's what happens when you have such an incompetent GM and a "hands on" owner in the fold. [snapback]25877[/snapback] I don't think it was a bad decision to hire him originally, I don't think he is a coach to get you to the playoffs. But he is a good developmental coach... that could become a good professional coach if given time. This team has just being put on fast forward... and he is no longer the coach for this team.
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Dec 16 2005, 11:30 AM
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Eddie O at the most is a glorified scout or assistant coach. I mean the guy had no experience coaching before. The only reason he got the job was because he is bum buddies with Mario. Now at least Mario as the forsight to get rid of his mistake. With much more qualified candidates out there like Ted Nolan, why give the job to a commentator. Imagine if the Canucks made Dan Russell, Don Taylor, or *shudder* Dave Pratt head coach here!!
Plus I want to tell all the people who say Sid the Kid is chirping off, when he should be quiet. I ve listened to his sound bites, and I find nothing offensive or insulting in what he says. Mario is grooming this guy to be the marquee of not only the Pens, but the entire NHL for the next 20 years!! I think is great that this kid is willing to step up and take a leadership role so soon.
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Dec 16 2005, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE I don't think it was a bad decision to hire him originally, I don't think he is a coach to get you to the playoffs. But he is a good developmental coach. Based on what? He had never coached before. That's like hiring a player to be your medical trainer since he had experience playing under other trainers.
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Dec 16 2005, 04:05 PM
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QUOTE(Topper @ Dec 16 2005, 10:28 AM) Hey remedial math Klit I'd have to say that the Penguins have an excelleent chance of turning their season around when they play 92 games. Who are the additional ones against or will the preseason games front load their season? [snapback]25891[/snapback] no need to get your panties in a bunch, just a typo... meant to say 41 games lefts. 
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Dec 16 2005, 06:32 PM
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QUOTE(Ktulu @ Dec 16 2005, 11:31 AM) Based on what? He had never coached before. That's like hiring a player to be your medical trainer since he had experience playing under other trainers. [snapback]25909[/snapback] So hiring Gretzky as a coach was a bad decision as well? So far hiring coaches with virtually no coaching experience has not worked out in the NHL but it has certainly worked out in the NBA and even the CFL. It was worth a shot IMO. Anyways, I think the Penguins were overrated this year that's all. Yes they made significant moves in the offseason but it's hard to go from worst to first.
This post has been edited by FAN: Dec 16 2005, 06:34 PM
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Dec 16 2005, 07:04 PM
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QUOTE(Klatt @ Dec 16 2005, 05:05 PM) no need to get your panties in a bunch, just a typo... meant to say 41 games lefts. [snapback]25956[/snapback] And what you meant to say there is "51 games left" right? 
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Dec 16 2005, 09:23 PM
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QUOTE(Cupless @ Dec 16 2005, 07:04 PM) And what you meant to say there is "51 games left" right? [snapback]25996[/snapback] Sorry, what i meant to say was 31 games left.
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Dec 16 2005, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE(Ktulu @ Dec 16 2005, 11:31 AM) Based on what? He had never coached before. That's like hiring a player to be your medical trainer since he had experience playing under other trainers. [snapback]25909[/snapback] No, it would be like hiring a player as a coach. I don't feel like looking up the number, but Crawford was an ex-player, Quinn, Quenville, Sutter (of course), Gretzky, Ruff... i am sure many of the coaches in the NHL are ex-players. Thats 6/30 or 1/5... off the top my head... so I am sure it is really more coaches that have NHL experience. Even more played in the AHL, and never made the show. I don't claim to have all the info about Ed... but from what everyone said about he seemed to be the guy to have around if your team was expected to lose, and you wanted to focus on developing and building for the future... that changed... now they want to make the playoffs, and he is no longer the right guy for the job. That is all I am saying.
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Dec 16 2005, 10:43 PM
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Eddie-O came out of the broadcaast booth to coach. http://www.nhl.com/lineups/coaches/olczyk.htmlI don't think anyone has anything against an ex-player being a coach but all those guys you mentioned coached somehwere. The only one that didn't was Gretzky and he had the experience of running the Olympic programa t least. Guys that just are given coaching jobs because of their playing days do not make good coaches. ie: Rocket Richard.
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Dec 17 2005, 12:07 AM
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But that's the thing Peter. The trend towards hiring coaches with little to no coaching experience is seen in many other major sports. I think the success rate of these coaches is going to be that much worse than the success rates of coaches who served years as minor/junior bench boses or assistant coaches. But I too don't think it's the right way to go. You got to at least ply your trade a bit. QUOTE Guys that just are given coaching jobs because of their playing days do not make good coaches. ie: Rocket Richard. I don't think this blanket statement is true. You simply got to find the right guys. As I said, great players do not necessarily make good coaches. You got to pick the right type of player. Someone like Gretzky and Larionov for example are probably better coaches than other greats because the two have vast knowledge of the game. They don't just rely on their natural talents. I'm not going to make a judgement on Olczyk as a coach cause I know very little about coaching, but I do know that as a player he was considered an underachiever and inconsistent.
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Dec 17 2005, 02:01 AM
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Mario must be knocking himself out over Gonchar eh? He hasn't done squat for the team, he's been by far the worst I've ever seen him play. He wasn't even that bad when he played for the Bruins was it? He makes so many mistakes, even more the Jovo, and even worse, the Sopel days...haha.
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